[IA] Tiebreakers

DerBaer Di 30 Apr 2019, 16:07

Im Moment sind Strenght of Schedule, Extended Strength of Schedule und Random die Tiebreaker.
Besonders Random find ich echt Mist.
Bessere Vorschläge? VP? VP-Differenz?

Vollie Mi 01 Mai 2019, 09:55

SoS ist der beste Tiebreaker, sofern echtes Schweizer System gespielt werden würde. Also 1. gegen 2. und 3. gegen 4. und so weiter...

SoS ist ein ein Stück weit wahlloser Tiebreaker, sofern das aktuelle Zufalls Pairing weitergefuhrt werden soll...

Bsp.: Man hat bisher die beste SoS und wird bei ungrader Anzahl an Spieler mit gleichen Siegpunkten vor der letzten Runde "runtergepaart"... das war's mit der Sos...

Das Zufalls Pairing wurde ja bei X-WING glaube ich nur eingeführt, weil sich die Spieler mit Freilos beschwert hatten, in Runde zwei immer gegen andere Spieler mit Freilos spielen zu müssen...

Freilose wird es ja nicht mehr geben (gut so) und damit würde nichts gegen die Rückkehr zu echtem Schweizer System sprechen.

DerBaer Mi 01 Mai 2019, 10:18

Das hatte ich sowieso vor. Sorry, hatte ich vergessen dazu zu sagen.

Ich find SoS auch nicht grundsätzlich schlecht. Aber grade bei kleinen Turnieren kommt man oft bei SoS und eSoS auf das gleiche Ergebnis. Und Random find ich kacke.
Random würde ich gerne ersetzen.

DerBaer Mi 01 Mai 2019, 10:21

Ich würde auch gerne mehr Swiss Rounds und weniger Cut machen. Dann können alle mehr Spiele machen.

DerBaer Mi 29 Mai 2019, 15:36

Tournament Rules schrieb:Tiebreakers
If two or more players have the same number of tournament points, tiebreakers are used to determine each player’s standing within that group. Tiebreakers are used in the following order until all players within that group have been given a standing.
• Strength of Schedule: A player’s strength of schedule is calculated by dividing each opponent’s total tournament points by the number of rounds that opponent has played, adding the results of each opponent played, and then dividing that total by the number of opponents the player has played. The player with the highest strength of schedule is ranked above all other players in the group not yet ranked. The player with the second-highest strength of schedule is ranked second among all players in the group not yet ranked, and so on.
• Extended Strength of Schedule: A player’s extended strength of schedule is cal-culated by adding each opponent’s strength of schedule and then dividing by the number of opponents that player has played. The player with the highest extended strength of schedule is ranked above all other players in the group not yet ranked. The player with the second-highest extended strength of schedule is ranked second among all players in the group not yet ranked, and so on.
• Victory Points Difference: A player’s victory points difference is calculated as the number of points scored in all games minus the number of victory points conceded. The player with the highest victory points difference is ranked above all other play-ers in the group not yet ranked. The player with the second-highest victory points difference is ranked second among all players in the group not yet ranked, and so on.
• Total Victory Points: The player with the highest total victory points scored is ranked above all other players in the group not yet ranked. The player with the sec-ond-highest total victory points scored is ranked second among all players in the group not yet ranked, and so on.
• Random: If any players are still tied after all other tiebreakers have been applied, then those players are ranked in a random order below any players already ranked in the group.

Jemand nicht einverstanden?

DerBaer Mi 29 Mai 2019, 15:42

Meine Idee zur Tournament Structure:

Compared to Knockout Rounds, Swiss Rounds have the advantage of not eliminating anyone. So a player who enters the tournament knows that they can play in all Swiss Rounds, regardless of how well they do. Another ad-vantage compared to Knockout Rounds is that the final ranking gives an indication of the relative strengths of all contestants, not just the winner of the tournament.
But this has some disadvantages, too. A Swiss-system tournament does not always end with the exciting climax of a knockout final. And even if it does, there are very few spectators, because most people potentially interested in the final game play their own games at the same time. And if you use more than one Knockout Round, eliminated players will leave in many cases.
Relaxed Events do not include a progression cut, so every participant can play in every round and have fun till the event is over. But Premier Events, being Champion-ship Events, should put an emphasis on the exciting climax of a true knockout final with lots of spectators. Therefore, Premier Events use a Top 2 Cut.

Basic Structure for Relaxed Events

Number of Registered Players	Number of Swiss Rounds	Size of Cut
2	1	No Cut
3	3	No Cut
4	2	No Cut
5 - 8	3	No Cut
9 - 16	4	No Cut
17 - 32	5	No Cut
33 - 64	6	No Cut

Advanced Structure for Premier Events

Number of Registered Players	Number of Swiss Rounds	Size of Cut
2	1	No Cut
3	3	No Cut
4	2	No Cut
5 - 8	2	1
9 - 16	3	1
17 - 32	4	1
33 - 64	5	1

skyballer Mi 29 Mai 2019, 22:31

[quote="DerBaer"]

Tournament Rules schrieb:Tiebreakers
Jemand nicht einverstanden?

Ist halt aufwändigeres Score-keeping sowohl für die Spieler als auch den TO. Aber in der Sache nicht schlecht. Unterstütze ich.

Ebenso unterstütze ich die angedachte Turnierstruktur.

Yosha Do 30 Mai 2019, 09:02

Finde die Turnierstruktur auch supi. (Geil auch die Regeln für Turniere mit 2 Teilnehmern; ich hätte da gerne einen Cut bitte).

Gibt es Software, die die Tiebreakerdaten ausrechnet?

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